Sep 25, 2009
Journalist Andrea Mitchell has noted that General McChrystal's
report to President Obama calls for 500,000 troops in Afghanistan.
[That's not 500,000 U.S. troops, but 500,000 troops overall.] Mitchell
correctly notes that if you don't believe that the goals in
McChrystal's report for increasing the size of the Afghan army are
realistic, that should lead you to question agreeing to send more U.S.
troops, because the premise of the request for more troops is that if
you add more U.S. troops there's going to be "success," and that
success, apparently, requires 500,000 boots on the ground. If you don't
believe there's going to be success even if you add more U.S. troops,
then you shouldn't add more U.S. troops - you should do something else.
McChrystal has suggested that without more U.S. troops we will "fail" - but the same logic says that without more Afghan
troops we will also "fail." If adding the additional U.S. troops will
not lead to the required addition of Afghan troops, then U.S. policy
will "fail," even with the additional U.S. troops.
Some have dismissed the concern occasioned by Mitchell's comments by
saying of course there aren't going to be half a million U.S. troops in
Afghanistan. It's certainly true that there aren't going to be half a
million U.S. troops in Afghanistan. But supporters of sending more
troops have to answer this: to defend sending another 40,000 U.S.
troops to Afghanistan, they have to defend their scenario that there's
going to be 350,000 Afghan boots on the ground. Otherwise - according
to General McChrystal - their plan is not going to work. Furthermore,
they should say now what they will propose then
if adding 40,000 more U.S. troops does not produce 350,000 Afghan
troops. Do they promise not to ask for more U.S. troops? Would anyone
believe such a promise?
Those who fear a slippery slope don't have to point to a
hypothetical future. If you look at the debate happening in Washington,
it's clear that we're already on the slippery slope. It's already being
argued that it's "too late" to revisit the decisions that President
Obama made earlier this year - under pressure from the military. We're
committed, they say. Can we trust supporters of military escalation not
to argue in six months that "now we're really committed"?
They wanted a surge; they got a surge. Their surge didn't work. In
particular, dramatically increasing the deployment of foreign troops did not
establish security for the Afghan election. Now they want another
surge. How many surges must they get, before we can try something else
- like, for example, dramatically pruning our list of enemies, as we
did in Iraq, and talking about a timetable for military withdrawal, as
we did in Iraq?
Andrea Mitchell:
And the other big issue, of course, that's on
everyone's mind, not discussed so overtly, is Afghanistan. And, with
the leaks that have come, most likely from the military, about the
troop strengths and all this, you have to really wonder, what would
people expect? The numbers are really pretty horrifying. What they say,
embedded in this report by McChrystal, is they would need 500,000
troops - boots on the ground - and five years to do the job. No one
expects that the Afghan Army could step up to that. Are we gonna put
even half that of U.S. troops there, and NATO forces? No way.So, you have to ask, would you prefer to have a president who
doesn't shift strategy when he gets this kind of 'ground truth' from
the commanders? Would you like to be locked in, to 8 years, 10 years of
this? I mean, I think that those are some reasonable questions before
everyone says Barack Obama's shifting position.
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Robert Naiman
Robert Naiman is Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy. Naiman has worked as a policy analyst and researcher at the Center for Economic and Policy Research and Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch. He has masters degrees in economics and mathematics from the University of Illinois and has studied and worked in the Middle East.
Journalist Andrea Mitchell has noted that General McChrystal's
report to President Obama calls for 500,000 troops in Afghanistan.
[That's not 500,000 U.S. troops, but 500,000 troops overall.] Mitchell
correctly notes that if you don't believe that the goals in
McChrystal's report for increasing the size of the Afghan army are
realistic, that should lead you to question agreeing to send more U.S.
troops, because the premise of the request for more troops is that if
you add more U.S. troops there's going to be "success," and that
success, apparently, requires 500,000 boots on the ground. If you don't
believe there's going to be success even if you add more U.S. troops,
then you shouldn't add more U.S. troops - you should do something else.
McChrystal has suggested that without more U.S. troops we will "fail" - but the same logic says that without more Afghan
troops we will also "fail." If adding the additional U.S. troops will
not lead to the required addition of Afghan troops, then U.S. policy
will "fail," even with the additional U.S. troops.
Some have dismissed the concern occasioned by Mitchell's comments by
saying of course there aren't going to be half a million U.S. troops in
Afghanistan. It's certainly true that there aren't going to be half a
million U.S. troops in Afghanistan. But supporters of sending more
troops have to answer this: to defend sending another 40,000 U.S.
troops to Afghanistan, they have to defend their scenario that there's
going to be 350,000 Afghan boots on the ground. Otherwise - according
to General McChrystal - their plan is not going to work. Furthermore,
they should say now what they will propose then
if adding 40,000 more U.S. troops does not produce 350,000 Afghan
troops. Do they promise not to ask for more U.S. troops? Would anyone
believe such a promise?
Those who fear a slippery slope don't have to point to a
hypothetical future. If you look at the debate happening in Washington,
it's clear that we're already on the slippery slope. It's already being
argued that it's "too late" to revisit the decisions that President
Obama made earlier this year - under pressure from the military. We're
committed, they say. Can we trust supporters of military escalation not
to argue in six months that "now we're really committed"?
They wanted a surge; they got a surge. Their surge didn't work. In
particular, dramatically increasing the deployment of foreign troops did not
establish security for the Afghan election. Now they want another
surge. How many surges must they get, before we can try something else
- like, for example, dramatically pruning our list of enemies, as we
did in Iraq, and talking about a timetable for military withdrawal, as
we did in Iraq?
Andrea Mitchell:
And the other big issue, of course, that's on
everyone's mind, not discussed so overtly, is Afghanistan. And, with
the leaks that have come, most likely from the military, about the
troop strengths and all this, you have to really wonder, what would
people expect? The numbers are really pretty horrifying. What they say,
embedded in this report by McChrystal, is they would need 500,000
troops - boots on the ground - and five years to do the job. No one
expects that the Afghan Army could step up to that. Are we gonna put
even half that of U.S. troops there, and NATO forces? No way.So, you have to ask, would you prefer to have a president who
doesn't shift strategy when he gets this kind of 'ground truth' from
the commanders? Would you like to be locked in, to 8 years, 10 years of
this? I mean, I think that those are some reasonable questions before
everyone says Barack Obama's shifting position.
Robert Naiman
Robert Naiman is Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy. Naiman has worked as a policy analyst and researcher at the Center for Economic and Policy Research and Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch. He has masters degrees in economics and mathematics from the University of Illinois and has studied and worked in the Middle East.
Journalist Andrea Mitchell has noted that General McChrystal's
report to President Obama calls for 500,000 troops in Afghanistan.
[That's not 500,000 U.S. troops, but 500,000 troops overall.] Mitchell
correctly notes that if you don't believe that the goals in
McChrystal's report for increasing the size of the Afghan army are
realistic, that should lead you to question agreeing to send more U.S.
troops, because the premise of the request for more troops is that if
you add more U.S. troops there's going to be "success," and that
success, apparently, requires 500,000 boots on the ground. If you don't
believe there's going to be success even if you add more U.S. troops,
then you shouldn't add more U.S. troops - you should do something else.
McChrystal has suggested that without more U.S. troops we will "fail" - but the same logic says that without more Afghan
troops we will also "fail." If adding the additional U.S. troops will
not lead to the required addition of Afghan troops, then U.S. policy
will "fail," even with the additional U.S. troops.
Some have dismissed the concern occasioned by Mitchell's comments by
saying of course there aren't going to be half a million U.S. troops in
Afghanistan. It's certainly true that there aren't going to be half a
million U.S. troops in Afghanistan. But supporters of sending more
troops have to answer this: to defend sending another 40,000 U.S.
troops to Afghanistan, they have to defend their scenario that there's
going to be 350,000 Afghan boots on the ground. Otherwise - according
to General McChrystal - their plan is not going to work. Furthermore,
they should say now what they will propose then
if adding 40,000 more U.S. troops does not produce 350,000 Afghan
troops. Do they promise not to ask for more U.S. troops? Would anyone
believe such a promise?
Those who fear a slippery slope don't have to point to a
hypothetical future. If you look at the debate happening in Washington,
it's clear that we're already on the slippery slope. It's already being
argued that it's "too late" to revisit the decisions that President
Obama made earlier this year - under pressure from the military. We're
committed, they say. Can we trust supporters of military escalation not
to argue in six months that "now we're really committed"?
They wanted a surge; they got a surge. Their surge didn't work. In
particular, dramatically increasing the deployment of foreign troops did not
establish security for the Afghan election. Now they want another
surge. How many surges must they get, before we can try something else
- like, for example, dramatically pruning our list of enemies, as we
did in Iraq, and talking about a timetable for military withdrawal, as
we did in Iraq?
Andrea Mitchell:
And the other big issue, of course, that's on
everyone's mind, not discussed so overtly, is Afghanistan. And, with
the leaks that have come, most likely from the military, about the
troop strengths and all this, you have to really wonder, what would
people expect? The numbers are really pretty horrifying. What they say,
embedded in this report by McChrystal, is they would need 500,000
troops - boots on the ground - and five years to do the job. No one
expects that the Afghan Army could step up to that. Are we gonna put
even half that of U.S. troops there, and NATO forces? No way.So, you have to ask, would you prefer to have a president who
doesn't shift strategy when he gets this kind of 'ground truth' from
the commanders? Would you like to be locked in, to 8 years, 10 years of
this? I mean, I think that those are some reasonable questions before
everyone says Barack Obama's shifting position.
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